# Debate: Claude-3 Opus vs. OpenAI GPT-4 **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Tags:** openai, claude\ **Created:** [June 19, 2024, 6:54pm UTC](https://community.pickaxe.co/t/debate-claude-3-opus-vs-openai-gpt-4/248 "2024-06-19T18:54:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![admin\_mike](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex004/user_avatar/community.pickaxe.co/admin_mike/32/283_2.png) [@admin\_mike](https://community.pickaxe.co/u/admin_mike)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 6:54pm UTC](https://community.pickaxe.co/t/debate-claude-3-opus-vs-openai-gpt-4/248/1 "2024-06-19T18:54:44Z")
I’m curious to hear community feedback on Claude-3 Opus performance vs. OpenAI’s models and am creating this thread as a space for customers to write in with their own thoughts. We’ve just added Claude-3 Opus to our [no-code GPT builder](https://beta.pickaxeproject.com/builder/templates/chatbot). **Claude Advantages:** - I’ve found that Claude is much better roleplaying and will add the asterisked roleplay stage directions without prompting. - Claude seems to have less annoying safety rails than OpenAI and is overall less likely to tell me “As an AI assistant I am unable to do X…” - Claude also has a 200,000 token context window. Overall I am liking Claude-3 Opus and may be using it over OpenAI models. ---
**Author:** ![mnix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@mnix](https://community.pickaxe.co/u/mnix)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 8:51pm UTC](https://community.pickaxe.co/t/debate-claude-3-opus-vs-openai-gpt-4/248/2 "2024-06-19T20:51:14Z")
I believe I was one of the first users to try this and while there were some preliminary bugs I feel very hopeful about the use of Claude. Previously I have not run into a way to create a personalized Claude model on other AI websites including Claude’s (in contrast to personas/GPTs) which has been very fun to play around with. I completely agree with your statement about fewer “safety rails” and think that Claude lacks a lot of the fluff seen in GPT models which I like a lot. I am thinking about switching all of my Pickaxes over to this model though I am still having some internal debate. If others have any opinions that may oppose this switch I would like to hear all of your opinions. ---
**Author:** ![stephenasuncion](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex004/user_avatar/community.pickaxe.co/stephenasuncion/32/3111_2.png) [@stephenasuncion](https://community.pickaxe.co/u/stephenasuncion)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://community.pickaxe.co/t/debate-claude-3-opus-vs-openai-gpt-4/248/3 "2024-06-19T21:31:01Z")
I’ve tested both Claude-3 and GPT-4 with a RAG system and find that GPT-4 outperforms Claude-3 in terms of detail and structure of the response. It provides well-organized summaries that include specific details and additional context at times. On the other hand, Claude-3 provides a more concise response (without lacking any detail based on the user input) and, in my opinion, is better suited for a chatbot environment. ---
**Author:** ![calvinl345](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex004/user_avatar/community.pickaxe.co/calvinl345/32/124_2.png) [@calvinl345](https://community.pickaxe.co/u/calvinl345)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 10:25pm UTC](https://community.pickaxe.co/t/debate-claude-3-opus-vs-openai-gpt-4/248/4 "2024-06-19T22:25:37Z")
I use AI every day to perform complex business analysis tasks for my software development agency. I can tell you from my experience Claude 3 opus has a much better understanding of complex topics than GPT-4o. It also produces better writing and more useful breakdowns. GPT-4o seems to spam you with bullet point lists even when they’re not useful, whereas Claude understands when and how to break something down for you.